Hi, thanks for this interesting question, I will try not to take sides for arguments sake, or become biased. This is a common and unresolved debate topic; some legislation has been written to undertake the concerns with the rights of unborn children or to protect the various rights of women. An egg lives, an egg dies, a sperm lives, a sperm dies. When a sperm/s enters an egg/s there is life which will not die unless it is terminated or ended naturally either through murder, disease or end of life (aged). This is not an opinion, it's reality. Of course, it's difficult for a woman to go through a pregnancy when she has been raped for e.g. where consent was not given for ***ual intercourse or if by unplanned circumstances through the actions of lovers, people in relationships, one-night stands, and so on. Case 1 is more extreme than case 2 but case 2 can also produce stress and anxiety. What to do? For e.g. case 1, the female concerned may not cope with the trauma and begin to harm herself and/or the baby inside her (when does a baby become a baby?). This distructive pathway will be different for each individual as everyone is different but stereotypical ascertainments can be derived at to understand different circumstances. Other mothers/fathers to be may be able to sort out their differences eventually, so this is not an easy question to answer- e.g. is it 1st degree, or 2nd degree murder if a female has been raped, or is underage? Is it murder if a couple consented to *** but unknowingly produced offspring? In other words, when is it not murder? Is it not murder because the mother and/or father says so? In some countries/states abortion is allowed and in others it is not. Getting your hands on their policies in hard copy will solve some of the reasons why these decisions have been taken, but they are not universal decisions in part due to other cultural beliefs around the globe also. It's a very senstive topic/discussion. Naturally, I would not want my grandaughter/grandson terminated, giving life to someone is irreplaceable. Pregnant women can fly to other states and countries to terminate their pregnancy. Living with new life and watching it grow is amazing for most. My mother was a remarkable woman; when she was a teenager she was raped by the local priest on her island and fell pregnant, however, she gave birth to my eldest brother, we grew up together on a part time basis and I named my first son after him, my mother lived a very fruitful life and created a large and loving family spending many happy moments together collectively, people just do the best they can. It's not the same for everyone, the interaction and dynamics with life's experiences trigger different responses from different people. I haven't sourced any references for this discussion, but it is a great topical assignment to undertake, and there are many lobbyists in Australia who have won and lost on this topic/debate and policy planning.
There is some more reading here: http://www.healthissuescentre.org.au/documents/items/2008/05/206512-upload-00001.pdf http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/parliament-decides-the-abortion-debate/story-e6frg6zo-1111114244749
More than half the people in the USA do not consider abortion murder and even more believe it is not in Europe. Different societies have their belief systems. Two thousand years ago in the Roman Empire you could take a baby and throw it in the dump if it had not yet learned to walk. I'm sure the latter was for practical reasons. Many people in Rome would go to the dump to pick up a baby to either adopt it into the family, or to raise it as a slave. This topic is mainly a religious issue, but some of these people want to force their beliefs on others with different beliefs. Others do not and are called pro-choice. Why can't everyone allow the individual woman to make her own decision based on her feelings and beliefs? It appears some people want to be dictators.
in case of rape ya abortion can be suggested..but what about the rights of that unborn innocent child?? in Biblical world - human life is given to us as a gift frm God what do we say about that??
"""This topic is mainly a religious issue, but some of these people want to force their beliefs on others with different beliefs. Others do not and are called pro-choice. Why can't everyone allow the individual woman to make her own decision based on her feelings and beliefs? It appears some people want to be dictators. """
yes those individual womens ve rights..they should be allowed to make their choices..but what about the innocents life they kill
Every new life begins at conception. This is an irrefutable fact of biology. It is true for animals and true for humans. When considered alongside the law of bio-genesis – that every species reproduces after its own kind – we can draw only one conclusion in regard to abortion. No matter what the circumstances of conception, no matter how far along in the pregnancy, abortion always ends the life of an individual human being. Every honest abortion advocate concedes this simple fact.
Anonymously, I agree that the mother and the child have rights, so does the father; the trouble is the mother and/or do not have the right to decide on whether or not the conception/child/foetus/human etc (taxonomy) can live, the child doesn't either, so they both continue to live; true, legislation is not always right, human rights are obviously more accurate as mentioned above, decision making is political too, and power based. When a child turns 18 she/he have extended rights with adulthood but regardless, the mother and child have no right to end their lives; there are choices, e.g. abortion/murder (same thing), suicide, and so on. Rape is a very difficult situation for a mother to go through, 9months is along time in that situation, however, the child can be adopted, I know its easier said than done.
I have 4 children now, the first 2 were planned, the last 2 were not; in both cases with the last two I disagreed with the mother to have an abortion and so they were born into this world and have had a great childhood and upbringing into adult life, despite any faults of the parents; I'm very glad that I did not interfere with their right to live.
When I was a young adult around 20-23 I disagreed with the mother on two ocassions, case 1#, because the first child wasn't mine and we were in a relationship (obviously, not a good one). The 2nd time, case 2#, I was in a relationship with a younger mother who was 18 and decided that she was too young and because I wasn't sure if I loved her or not. However, now at an older age in hindsight, I think that I was very selfish and uneducated. Later, she fell pregnant again and I still had mixed feelings so she ran away, but we got back together again and had the baby because she disagreed with me. Later, we had separated (not because of the children) but began seeing each other again living apart, our 2nd son was conceived, she said she was taking the pill but it didn't work for some reason. This time she wanted an abortion; however, by this time I was against abortion and disagreed with her, so we had our 2nd son and continued to live apart and help each other out, our families also helped out along the way, but we would have continued regardless.
In reflection, I feel so guilty about the first two lives lost to abortion, sure things would have been different, and they're different now. It was the wrong this to do, people need help in their situations because everyone is different- so I think that being educated about it and some counselling are key components of successful decision making in these situations; but I still don't believe anyone has the right to end a life (from conception).
Now in my third relationship, case 3#, my partner (at 27yrs old, I was 45) travelled home to see family and became sick, I told her to go to the doctor, she rang me the next day to tell me she was pregnant and thought that she should have an abortion initially, because we were not married and she is from a traditional family, although the parents had finally agreed to our relationship of 3yrs then, now 7yrs. We have our up's and down's like any relationship and I convinced her that we should keep the child, I think she was worried that we would break up sometime. I said to her ' just because we have disagreements sometimes, it doesn't mean we are going to break up', settle down, take it easy, the child has the right to live over and above our rights. In 2011, we had a beautiful daughter, we returned overseas to visit family and friends 6months later and they are all very happy to see us there; our daughter, we christened after my mother, they have both given everyone so much pleasure and happiness, a good reason to live and give of life, to see the positives above the negatives, to get through the dark clouds to see the blue skies, to keep on going - 'love is life, life is love'.
Abortion is murder, and we're guilty of that if we undertke abortion in our educated and/or counselled or uneducated and/or uncounselled partnerships, legal or not legal; I agree...human rights rule; right or wrong, leave rights where they belong, with the unborn child, its their life.
i must disagree. a foetus does turn into a child doesnt it ?so killing it before it has passed the foetus stage has nothing to do with it. abortion is still murder.