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Boervrou · Newbie

GENOCIDE IN SOUTH AFRICA

Date: May 22, 2013

Whites killed in South Africa in the thousands in the last decade remain muted by all the media day after day while still being killed men, women and children in the country. ****yze that since 1994, approximately 850,000 white South Africans (16% of total) have emigrated, mainly to the UK and Australia to rising insecurity and discrimination measures from the government.

The population stirring hymn singing Kill the Boer (Kill the "whites") while thousands of farmers suffer the consequences of this excessive and silenced.

Date: May 22, 2013

Whites killed in South Africa in the thousands in the last decade remain muted by all the media day after day while still being killed men, women and children in the country. ****yze that since 1994, approximately 850,000 white South Africans (16% of total) have emigrated, mainly to the UK and Australia to rising insecurity and discrimination measures from the government.

The population stirring hymn singing Kill the Boer (Kill the "whites") while thousands of farmers suffer the consequences of this excessive and silenced.

Date: May 22, 2013

Whites killed in South Africa in the thousands in the last decade remain muted by all the media day after day while still being killed men, women and children in the country. ****yze that since 1994, approximately 850,000 white South Africans (16% of total) have emigrated, mainly to the UK and Australia to rising insecurity and discrimination measures from the government.

The population stirring hymn singing Kill the Boer (Kill the "whites") while thousands of farmers suffer the consequences of this excessive and silenced.

Date: May 23, 2013

I know there's a lot of whites that have moved and imegrated to other countries and I do not blame them. But for most of the whites in SA the picture doesn't have any colour. It is now reversed rasim and more corupption than ever before.

To raise a white male baby seems to be bad news. There is no job opertunities for white males in SA

EverythingUK · Veteran Member

I have been fowllowing up with news coming from south africa, and africa for quite some time.

one article i read stated that if the white man in africa choose to stay in power and face the out come of that say like Bashare a asad of Syria now he would (the white man). had been much better of regardless of the outcome.

the equation in which south africa issue was setteled, and the speed of it was un wittnessed before.

I think it was handeled in a shamfull way by the world, and by south african white government.

any how Tyrany is widley spread in africa, as well as all over the world. the best thing to do is to protect your community.

kiddo · Veteran Member

For racism has not “come to power” in South Africa; it was firmly seated in power from the first day of the Union’s existence, and has steadily gone on to new triumphs, irrespective of which wing of Afrikaner nationalism has been in power. Nor is it a problem which is moving towards a solution, even to the extent that this may be claimed in our own deep South. In that respect the article is eminently useful, as making clear that an already bad situation has now become worse. The non-white population of South Africa is worse oppressed today than it was in the two provinces which were then a part of the British Empire, the Cape and Natal, a half century ago.

Indeed, Afrikaner nationalism has from the beginning centered on the racial issue, and this was crucial throughout its century of struggle against British rule. Whatever one may say against British imperialism in South Africa, it did recognize that the native was a human being entitled to some rights, and—at least on occasion—it introduced policies which sought to give him some role in the government and administration of his own country. The Great Trek which led to the establishment of the two Boer republics was precipitated by such policies in the Cape Colony; the “freedom from British rule” which the Afrikaners sought was in large part freedom to rob, murder, and enslave the native Africans without interference from Whitehall. Again, one of the main issues which led to the Boer War at the turn of the century was the action of the Boer republics in banning the activities of the London Missionary Society because it encouraged the natives to think that they had rights.

If the Boers lost their war against Britain in a military—and perhaps an economic—sense, they won it politically. For the British, as usual ashamed of a victory gained through an unsportsmanlike advantage of numbers, agreed that they would restore self-government to the conquered Boers without first granting the suffrage to the natives. Subsequently, they permitted the unification of the two previously British colonies with the former Boer Republics, thereby permitting the Boers, through their defeat, to acquire control of all South Africa. The only vestige of the former British liberal principles which was permitted to enter the constitution of the Union was a provision protecting the suffrage of the Colored inhabitants of the Cape, and even this has been whittled away subsequently.

kiddo · Veteran Member

IF BARACK OBAMA lived in South Africa, he might be called a colored. Under apartheid, the government decided to which of four racial categories a South African belonged—black, colored, Indian/Asian or white—depending mostly on looks. The same categorization still exists, but it is now left up to individuals.

Given that coloreds were formerly regarded as racial misfits, once dismissed by the wife of former president F. W. de Klerk, Marike, as “non-persons…the leftovers”, one might have expected the number of South Africans wishing to describe themselves as such to plummet. But since the end of apartheid in 1994 the colored population has in fact grown by almost a third, to 4.5m.

Most live in Cape Town and the Western Cape region, where they originated some 350 years ago after the arrival of the first Dutch settlers. Given the dearth of European women at the time, the Dutch—soon to be followed by French, German and English settlers—often took the pale-skinned indigenous Khoisan or, later, imported Asian and African slaves as their wives and mistresses.
Ranging in skin tone from very pale to darkest brown, many coloureds were (and still are) indistinguishable from their white or black compatriots. Some crossed the racial divide and became assimilated into white communities. But after a ban on interracial *** in 1950, this became much more difficult. Borderline cases were subjected to an infamous test. The curliness of someone's hair (a supposed indicator of blackness) was judged by sticking in a pencil; if it slid out the person in question was counted as white.

This experience, coupled with a long history of being treated as inferior to whites, could easily have led the coloureds to identify with their black fellow-sufferers. But unlike in America, where a mixed-race president describes himself as an African-American, South Africa's coloureds have tended to reject their African heritage, preferring to adopt the language, culture, religion and even family names of their former white persecutors. Most coloureds speak Afrikaans (a creolised Dutch) and worship in the Dutch Reformed Church.

In South Africa's first multiracial elections 18 years ago, two-thirds of coloureds—a higher proportion than whites—voted for the party that once oppressed them, the now-defunct Nationalists, rather than the liberationist African National Congress (ANC). Today the same proportion supports the white-led Democratic Alliance, the main opposition party. Better educated and traditionally better treated than blacks, the coloureds worry about being disadvantaged under ANC rule—perhaps rightly.

Economic-empowerment and affirmative-action laws are supposed to benefit all previously disadvantaged groups, but coloureds claim that blacks often get priority. They also fret over their loss of status. Second from last in South Africa's old racial pecking order, they now find themselves right at the bottom. Trevor Manuel, the country's most senior coloured politician, recently complained that “worst-order racism” has “infiltrated the highest echelons of government”.

Date: May 31, 2013

It feel better that the world see the problem, but it feel bad that they do not want to to a thing to help the minority of the people.

the goverment is spreading leis that the rainbow nation is in good shape and the long road to freedom is over. But for the minority it is a long and difficult road to HELL.

Date: May 31, 2013

Clearly you are well informed about our county's history.

I know that during the "apartheid" years things did not always go well, but it was the minority of the white people and not the majority. But people look at one rotten apple and dicide that it was ALL the whites that harmed the other coulred people in that years. But well I just hope that the rest of the world start to open their eyes and see things for what it really is.

Ex-huyton · Senior Member

Reading this thread just now has been a very sobering experience and I thank everyone involved for the information. As a result of reading it I am going to ponder on South Africa's situation far more than I ever have bothered to before.

Before I arrived at Kiddo's contributions, I was thinking along the lines "This needs a huge input of historical and political fact to even get a starting handle on such a tricky topic". Kiddo's contribution then handed us all a big meal on a plate (thank you kiddo!). But such are the complexities of a situation like this that it is going to demand much, much more thought on our part - and as much discussion with people we can find who have expert knowledge - before daring to take a view, much less to make remarks on what we think should be done. At least the process has started in my case, so thank you.

Ex-huyton · Senior Member

On my bookshelf I have found a book that I have never bothered to read. This is Trevor Huddleston's 1956 book 'Naught for your Comfort'. Now, decades later, I will finally read it. Here is what the back cover has to say:

"Father Trevor Huddleston has become world famous through his championship of the rights and dignity of the non-European races in South Africa. In 'Naught for your Comfort' he describes his twelve years ministry in Sophiatown, the coloured quarter outside Johannesburg, from 1944 - 1956.

The last years were bitter years, when he found himself embroiled in constant conflict with the government and the police; indeed the manuscript of his book only escaped seizure by a matter of twenty-four hours. 'Is it the function of a priest to defy the government?' a magistrate asked him. 'Is it the function of a priest to remain silent in the face of injustice?' replied Father Huddleston.

He tells of the successive intrusions by the South African government upon the personal liberties of its subjects. South Africa has become, he says, a police state. He tells of his fight to uphold the rights of the black man and of the acts of defiance to which circumstances and his conscience as a Christian have driven him. Is the Church again, he asks, to bend over backwards to appease a government set upon a policy that is evil and un-Christian? In posing the question of the church's attitude to politics, Fr. Huddleston, a man of great compassion, and love for his fellow-men in distress, raises a problem of fundamental importance in this or any age."

I'm guessing that what has happened over there down the centuries is ungenerosity and unkindness shown towards the indigenous people, many of whose descendants continue to bear a grudge despite all the efforts made to prevent this happening by people like Desmond Tutu.

At one stage of my life I naively accepted the propaganda that the land that the Dutch settlers entered in 1652 was empty. Had this been a fact then it naturally lent support to the notion that the blacks had no rights; but I now know that it was very far from being a fact. Therefore, wise people ought not to have entertained such strong notions of racial superiority for they should have realised that it would lead to trouble sooner or later. This is with 20:20 hindsight, of course!